Samsung UBD-K8500

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  • Excellent
    Update 2017-01-16: ST 2084 gammas for HDR and UHD Blu Ray sent out even a 500M KURO even though it does not support HDR. (You can hear right away that there should be pancake;))
    I've driven some measurements with the 10% HDR 10bit grayscale files from the player.
    In other words, there is no "down-converted" here, except when the resolution is scaled down to 1080P
    everything sent out as 10bit and rec2020 colors with ST 2084 gammas.
    The only thing we would have liked is that Kuron had to 200nits of brightness to get the APL to blu ray level.
    For non HDR compatible LCD tvs then just panting at maximum brightness. (Max Backlight).
    The higher, the better it will look.

    "I think over 10bit 8bit is far more important issue, even for 1080p SDRs than UHD resolution is on its own."

    Quote from a member of ACP, and I will probably stick with this for a number of tests and comparisons with standard 8bit Blu Ray.

    (Other reviews, is well more about UHDs overall image quality and what you would expect compared to regular Blu Ray.)

    Update 2017-01-14
    Some photos showing the differences between Mad Max Fury Road and The Martian Blu Ray and UHD Blu Ray on a KRP-500M (No HDR)

    Mad Max Fury Road Blu Ray 120cd / m2
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Mad%20Max%20Blu%20Ray_KRP-500M.jpg

    Mad Max Fury Road UHD Blu Ray 220cd / m2
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Mad%20Max%20UHD_KRP-500M.jpg

    Blu Ray with its matte colors
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Mad%20Max2%20Blu%20Ray_KRP-500M.jpg

    UHD Blu Ray with a punch, and resolution of colors I had never seen before.
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Mad%20Max2%20UHD%20Blu%20Ray_KRP-500M.jpg
    They where red tones can not be taken up with Blu Ray REC709 colors.

    The Martian Blu Ray
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/The%20Martian%20Blu%20Ray_KRP-500M.jpg

    The Martian UHD Blu Ray
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/The%20Martian%20UHD%20Blu%20Ray_KRP-500M.jpg

    Close-up
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/The%20Martian%20Closeup.jpg

    (Check out the photos on a monitor that supports Adobe RGB for best results)

    To get "more" details with HDR video is absolutely not true.
    However, you get more features with UHD compared with Blu Ray.
    Compare the photos with HDTVtests article "4K Blu-ray vs. Blu-Ray Reveals HDR is too dim for Daytime", the differences here almost identical.
    http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-vs-201604104279.htm

    Ang colors so it is no REC709 color that is sent out if the TV does not support HDR that you have heard before.
    the colors that are sent out are rec2020 even without HDR mode!

    Then the next problem.
    The picture will look duller compare to Blu Ray since you probably have their TV set to REC709 color space before.
    The color space that UHD encoded with considerably higher and to bring back the color saturation to normal levels, you have to run the TV's "native" or "wide" color space, also called color space.
    Regarding 9G Kuros so they can show 125% of REC709 the native state, and they pull really benefit from those new colors with UHD.
    I have not seen so good colors ever at this station so with UHD Blu Ray!

    Most LCD TVs have a "native" color space is higher than REC709.
    So there is the need to use this.
    The higher the native color space, the better will UHD Blu Ray look.

    The TV without HDR who have absolutely maximum color space than today's 2013 Sony W905 with Color IQ of QD Vision.
    I can only imagine how good the colors will look with UHD Blu Ray on television.
    Congratulations to you sitting with someone today :)
    Turn on the "Live Color" on HIGH then you will probably get the colors from UHD Blu Ray as you have never seen the era W9.

    As I see it now for testing as "can" a TV that does not support HDR get as good (if not better) from UHD Blu Ray as a TV that supports HDR.
    Many do not like extremely bright light bulb from HDR mode in a dark room and then get a more pleasant picture here but still with all the benefits of UHD.
    Desutom is not locked with the TVS settings (HDR mode on most TVS locks all settings)
    Another problem is that today's TVs that supports HDR has problems to follow the new PQ Gamman.

    That said HDR or not matters less with UHD TV only supports 10bit and has a higher color gamut than REC709.
    That is what counts.

    Update: 2017-01-11
    Not all TV sets capable of displaying 10bit video as intended without banding.
    One of them is LG's OLED B6
    Comparisons at the bottom towards the KRP-500M

    Even 1080p tvs SDR as 9G Kuros becomes UHD Blu Ray a boost compared to Blu Ray!
    10bit video output from UHD Blu Ray discs are usually superior to today's 8bit video like Blu Ray offers.
    The advantage is that a television that Kuron supports and works with 10bit internally.
    The result is a crystal clear picture with more detail and where the entire image is perceived to have higher resolution.
    Even the colors are a step up.
    8bit video from Blu Ray is now perceived as messy and flat in the picture after seeing the 10-bit version.

    10bit has 1024 steps of the gray scale while 8bit has 256.
    More steps provide a refined image with more gradations and shades of color will fit.

    If you have a non-HDR television that works with 10bit internally so you will get a better picture of UHD Blu Ray movies compared to the same movie on Blu Ray!

    One problem, however, and it is the player cuts both black levels and white levels with 10bit video UHD Blu Ray.
    8bit is correct but for 10bit you have to to get all the details near black Ochi light areas to change picture mode manually.

    NOTE!
    For 10bit video needed no deep color so it turns off completely.

    It was someone who thought the player sounded much.
    Update:
    Ang sound from the player
    It sounds like an old blender at high speed when it starts up a movie
    After that is the noise level down to normal and barely audible.

    10bit (or 8bit + Dithering) Test:
    To find out if your TV you have is 10bit / 8bit + Dithering or pure 8-bit so imprint them here two video files to a USB stick and play from UBD-K8500
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/2160p_Gradient_Split_10bit_8bit.mp4
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Spears_Munsil_Quantazation_Test_2160p.mp4
    The first is short like that you have to press the pause in time to see something.

    Do you have a 10bit (or 8bit + Dithering) television then half the upper part to be completely even from black to white.
    One should not be able to discern some transitions and gradations.
    Compared to the lower part of the 8 bit where you can almost count all 256 steps from black to white.

    Have you contrast a 8bit TV that does not support 10bit and plays the same file as both top and bottom look alike with clear transitions and banding in gray scale.

    Some TV sets have no genuine 10bit panel, but only supports 10bit.
    Where it runs with 8bit + Dithering but the end result is about the same as a pure 10bit television.
    Note "Deep Color" must be set to OFF when testing 10bit video.

    An example of a television to be 10bit but super close to the black.
    EF9500 OLEDs
    http://i.imgur.com/U5Xy98Z.jpg
    There is the question of whether äns get someone good with UHD Blu Ray 10bit video or if it becomes more a placebo?
    It can handle hardly retain 8bit near black on 10bit part.
    Genuine 10bit panels should have 10bit over the whole not just one part.

    Some photos showing the differences between Deadpool Blu Ray and UHD Blu Ray.
    8bit against 10bit
    The differences are striking.
    More details in light areas / more and deeper colors / cleaner image without noise.

    The disadvantage of UHD Blu Ray: Darker image that must be compensated with higher brightness from the television. (Higher backlight for LCD TV)
    Blu Ray version keeps the reference image with its 3D LUT calibration.
    Gamma 2.3 / 120cd / m2 brightness.
    UHD version is adjusted in the UBD-K8500 menu to bring out all the details.
    -8 +3 Contrast and brightness
    The brightness is increased on television to a maximum of 220cd / m2 but it is still not enough to match the brightness of the Blu Ray of 120cd / m2, so you would have needed a few nits to there to compensate.
    Although the brightness of UHD is lower so the picture is quite magical even on this TV so it's worth it all times.

    Deadpool 8bit Blu Ray 120cd / m2
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Deadpool_8bit_KRP-500M.jpg

    Deadpool 10bit UHD Blu Ray 220cd / m2
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Deadpool_10bit_KRP-500M.jpg

    Close 1
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Deadpool_T1.jpg

    Close 2
    Note: it's not the camera that cuts them bright details of the Blu Ray version now, but that's the way it looks.
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Deadpool_T2.jpg

    Deadpool 8bit Blu ray
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Deadpool_Blu%20Ray_2.jpg

    Deadpool 10bit UHD Blu Ray
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Deadpool_UHD%20Blu%20Ray_2.jpg

    Close-up
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Deadpool_8_10.jpg

    Unfortunately, some moire patterns from the camera in the photos that are not in the picture on television.

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    Update 2017-01-07
    The above settings with adjusted contrast and brightness comes apparently not for all films.
    They seem to be mastered little different.
    The Revenant and the X-Men Days of Future Past as an example, cuts are not highlights the contrast to 0 while in Deadpool, you do it.
    This applies for playback with a television SDR now
    Do not know how the levels are on an HDR television.

    Optimum settings in "Picture Mode" and "user" after a little probing
    I'll have to fill the list each for making new films

    The Revenant UHD Blu Ray Contrast 0 Brightness +3
    Deadpool UHD Blu Ray Contrast Brightness -8 +3
    X-Men Days of Future Past UHD Blu Ray Contrast 0 Brightness +3
    The Martian UHD Blu Ray Contrast Brightness -5 +1
    Mad Max Fury Road UHD Blu Ray Contrast Brightness -5 +1

    listing:
    The films with less contrast must light intensity on television increased by about twice the normal to get the same APL (Average pixel level) as Blu Ray.
    Extremely bright objects such as lamps, however, be brighter than they are on Blu Ray.
    Higher dynamics compared to the Blu Ray also on television sets without HDR words.

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    Update 2017-01-11
    Will you get the maximum out of UHDs 10bit video with more details and color gradations so must the TV to support it.
    A shocking example here of how a film like The Revenant UHD Blu Ray looks on a B6 OLED
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/TV%20Banding%201.jpg
    Full of strapping
    As I see it there so I tip on the bit is higher than 6bit in the area around the sky.

    Correct then the sky be completely free of banding with a smooth transition in the nuances.
    Examples of how it looks on an 8 year old KRP-500M with the same UHD disc.
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Revenant_2.jpg
    Up (Moire pattern is from the camera)
    http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/Revenant_1.jpg

    More 10bit video for the people to television sets that can handle it!
  • Very good
    So now I finally had time to try both downsized UHD movies, Netflix streaming 3D Blu-ray standard Blu-ray.

    The player who I compare to my home is my Marantz ud7007 that cost 5990kr when I bought it, that I gave to 2490kr including 3st UHD movies.

    UHD downscaled to 1080p: It beats anything I've seen before, colors are better, sharper picture and deeper blacks also as I said just have a 1080p projector.

    Blu-ray and 3D is no difference between the players of quality, but both show a very nice picture.

    When streaming from Netflix so happens, however, things Samsun Gens advantage where the quality is smooth and very sharp and good image is obtained with. There is Marantzen much worse when it may lose in quality of picture and can sometimes lock themselves even suspect that it is bad network card in the or the app they use defective.

    If you look at the build quality wins the Marantz ud7007 when the sled and the reader is robust and silent and the whole player is solidly built.

    Conclusion: do not worry about the reader can sometimes bring a little noise and the player looks a bit plasticky out, so the Samsung UBD-k8500 a highly skilled player who really gives a good image and a great experience with both film and streaming!

    In a true UHD I can only imagine that the picture is fabulously good.
  • Perfect
    The best Blu ray player I had 3000 kr Blu ray player has three blu ray movies on your purchase very good price I think.
  • Perfect
    Cruel player who fulfills everything one could imagine in real Ultra HD!
    And what price it received now o with Black Friday!
  • Perfect
    Wow against my old players even if I is not got HDR so is the big difference
  • Perfect
    Very good for the money
  • Terrible
    only capable of a bit rate of 80 Mbps on UHD bluray and HEVC codec, this is not the future of safe and sustainable in even a week.
    bit rate must be up to 92 or 123 Mbps ....
  • Barely acceptable
    Well, not entirely happy with the player; should be better for the money. Left back machine.
    The sound is pretty bad, reminiscent of a cheap CD player
    The picture is very good if the disk permits!
    Missing completely display, sorry
    A little buggy sw even if it is updated, if one starts with the disc already so says NO DISC sometimes.
    The remote is a chapter in itself, far too little and takes a coin cell battery with a battery cover that must be turned with a coin or similar.
    Top panel is made of metal, looks pretty good.
    Feels like they skimped a bit too much on the player during development.
    Menu looks good and feels modern. But did not play AVCHD files at all from the NAS.
  • Perfect
    Fantastic :)